so 7 told me to watch “once upon a time”

L: … Wtf costuming on Once Upon a Time
7: Ahah.
7: I kind of hate. How fantasy and CGI’d the story world in Once Upon A Time is.
L: Snow White’s hair and dress for her wedding
L: Lulz
7: And yeah.
L: Also the queen lawl
7: The queen’s outfits especially. Are kind of nuts.
L: Also lawl it’s cameron from house and I just
7: In this last episode, she had these like. Two little loops of hair on her forehead and I COULD NOT STOP STARING AT THEM every time we saw her.
L: Ahaha
7: They were terrible.
7: Also yes. Ahah
7: Luckily I watched little enough House that I’m not that bothered.
L: It’s more just. Weird, since she seems very. Opposite
L: Ahah
7: Yeah.
L: The kid… Reminds me of someone
L: Some adult, but I don’t know who ahah
L: Oh thaaaaat’s who rumplestilskin is
L: Also I know the queen is evil and doesn’t want her there half because she’ll ruin the town or whatnot, but the creepy adoptive mothers who are like “you have no rights EVER” creep me out
7: I know.
7: Also the whole like. I guess it fits with fairy tale things, but the whole adopted mother = PROBABLY SECRETLY HATES THE CHILD AND IS EVIL.
7: Is like.
7: Lol.
L: Yeaaaah
7: I mean she keeps being like “No listen I really love Henry.” and Emma is kind of legit butting in and being a threat. But it’s also. She is the evil queen, so she’s never going to be the sympathetic person here.
7: Well.
7: It’s by Lost people, so who knows what might happen.
7: BUT. At least for a while.
L: Yeah but she starts freaking out before emma even really starts being like “uhhhh”
7: Yes.
7: She clearly has control issues. Which is like. Her entire problem.
7: Even in the other world.
L: Hah yeaaah
8:39:02 PM L: It sort of annoys me that they make no distinction between like. Disneyfied and modern fantasy (I mean the Caterpiller is in the book, which, what? Alice isn’t a fairytale…)
8:39:42 PM 7: I know!
8:39:55 PM L: Seriously? They are even calling her Maleficent?
8:39:56 PM L: >>
8:41:37 PM 7: I mean. And Jiminy Cricket and Gepetto are main-ish characters, too. And that’s even more recent than Alice in Wonderland, I’m pretty sure. Which is like. So I guess all stories set more than 100 years ago and involving magic are fair game?
8:41:39 PM 7: Which is ridiculous.
8:42:03 PM L: Hm
8:42:18 PM 7: Slash. Yeah, basically all of the Disney movies. >>
8:42:58 PM L: See like, Fables, the Marvel comic, also includes kind of … odd things?
8:43:18 PM L: But somehow it feels more like it actually fits together, which this one it’s like. I like the idea and yet I’m like. What. Are you doing.
8:43:34 PM 7: Yes.
8:44:01 PM 7: See how it’s like. It’s not good. But. I don’t know, I find it just interesting/intriguing enough that I keep watching it.
8:44:10 PM L: Yeah Sleeping Beauty is from the 1600s and Pinocchio’s from the 1800s
8:44:21 PM 7: Yeah.
8:44:39 PM L: Ahah, though they could’ve used Mother Goose.
8:44:49 PM L: Which is also written by Charles Perrault.
8:45:15 PM L: (And it also sort of bothers me that apparently their names are literally like Snow White and Prince Charming because lol.)
8:45:26 PM 7: See. This is why I like T10K. Because they actually stick to Grimm/relevent-era stories.
8:45:51 PM 7: I DON’T UNDERSTAND WHY T10K IS ALWAYS THE BEST MODERN/FAIRY TALE ADAPTATION. It is a ridiculous movie.
8:46:05 PM L: And it’s also like “This is post-era” so the little things that aren’t strictly fairytale are like “Well whatever”
8:46:16 PM 7: Also yes. I mean. Charming does have an actual name that we learn later. But Snow White’s name is literally Snow White.
8:46:20 PM 7: As far as I know.
8:46:29 PM 7: And yeah.
8:48:06 PM L: I keep wondering
8:48:24 PM L: how did the kid grow up if everyone’s frozen in time. >>
8:48:39 PM 7: Emma?
8:48:43 PM L: No
8:48:45 PM L: Henry
8:48:48 PM 7: Oh yes.
8:48:50 PM 7: I don’t know.
8:48:53 PM L: He’s… living there
8:48:59 PM L: and clearly the queen and Snow White didn’t age
8:49:15 PM L: and is like “TIME IS STOPPED” but APPARENTLY NOT FOR HIM JUST EVERYONE ELSE
8:49:35 PM 7: Maybe because he is only half…story person? I really have no idea.
8:49:40 PM L: hah
8:49:49 PM 7: In theory they’ll address that at some point, buuuut. >>
8:49:50 PM L: It’s just kind of like. If you were the only person aging
8:49:53 PM L: in the entire town
8:50:23 PM L: That would be… really unnerving.
8:50:36 PM L: >> I mean do his friends age?
8:50:41 PM L: …well peers.
8:50:44 PM 7: Well they also. Like I think it’s part of the spell that the adults don’t realize they’re not aging, and just keep going through the motions.
8:50:49 PM 7: But yeah, they never address the other children.
8:51:10 PM 7: Or like. In theory there are residents of the town who AREN’T story people, because otherwise where are all of those kids coming from?
8:51:16 PM 7: Unless.
8:51:16 PM L: Well yeah, that’s more what I mean is he’s like “EVERYONE” and I’m like… really? Everyone everyone? >>a
8:51:25 PM 7: Yeah. I don’t know.
8:51:35 PM 7: It really doesn’t make sense (yet?).
8:51:38 PM L: (Really I just get the sense that they didn’t really spend too long on worldbuilding.)
8:51:47 PM 7: Ahah no.
8:52:12 PM 7: I don’t suspect they did. ALTHOUGH. Apparently this show has been in the works for years, so I’m like. Maaaybe we just don’t know yet? >>
8:52:12 PM 7: But yeah.
8:52:19 PM L: It pretty much seems like they were like “Y’KNOW WHAT’D BE COOL? REAL-LIFE FAIRYTALES.” “YEAH. LET’S DO IT.” [show]
8:52:50 PM L: ahah yeah maybe? IDK.
8:52:57 PM 7: I’m not holding my breath.
8:53:04 PM L: although you said it was by the Lost people
8:53:11 PM 7: But I’m like. Since it’s by Lost people, I’m willing to give them a little while.
8:53:12 PM L: …and Lost gave me the same impression of them having no idea what they were doing.
8:53:15 PM 7: Yeah.
8:53:19 PM 7: Which.
8:53:19 PM 7: Lulz.
8:53:37 PM 7: They did leave a lot of unanswered questions, that you fridge logic remember never got answered.
8:53:43 PM L: ahah
8:53:46 PM 7: But it still was like. It made sense by the end.
8:54:05 PM L: I dunno, since BSG where they were like “No really it’s planned out! … wait not really.”
8:54:08 PM L: >>
8:54:29 PM 7: I know. I FEEL SO BETRAYED BY BSG. :>”
8:55:33 PM L: Snow White is so adorably 9. >>
8:56:07 PM 7: Ahah I know.
8:56:32 PM 7: I think Storybrook (that name kills me) Snow White is adorable.
8:56:53 PM L: I love Storybrooke Snow White
8:57:00 PM L: with her pixie cut.
8:57:27 PM 7: Yes.
8:57:42 PM L: also ahaha
8:57:43 PM 7: …She has a name. It’s like. Something Bianca BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY’RE SO DAMN CLEVER.
8:57:54 PM L: Mary something
8:58:08 PM L: was the name that was on the credit card
8:58:10 PM L: also lawl.
8:58:54 PM L: But lol. I like that the queen seems to have been expecting Emma to be the same kind of pushover Snow White is, and Emma’s like “Fuck you, I’m a modern girl. Don’t mess with me, bitch.”
8:59:16 PM 7: Hah yes.
9:00:13 PM 7: I really think that half of Regina’s (lol SO CLEVER WITH NAMES) issue is that Emma comes in and is like “Uh no. I’ll do what I want.” and she just has noooo idea how to handle that because everyone else is like “Okay fine ma’am whatever you say. :C”
9:00:27 PM 7: And has been. For over 20 years.
9:00:31 PM L: ahah yes
9:00:45 PM L: and the more she’s like “NO DO WHAT I SAY” the more Emma’s like “… no, why should i?”
9:00:50 PM 7: Yes.
9:04:48 PM L: Whoooo is the sherif
9:04:50 PM L: …sheriff
9:04:52 PM L: supposed to be
9:05:51 PM 7: Do you want me to tell you?
9:05:58 PM 7: We just had his episode. Hah.
9:06:01 PM L: Um. No.
9:06:02 PM L: ahah
9:06:15 PM L: I’ve just been trying to figure out why he has a vague accent, lawl.
9:06:26 PM L: ahaha her office
9:06:30 PM L: is so intimidating.
9:06:47 PM 7: He has a super accent. Which. I said the same thing. Ahah. How on earth does this one guy have an…Irish? Accent.
9:06:49 PM 7: In this town.
9:07:26 PM L: Ahah, I wasn’t sure if it was actually strong or if I was just like. … I don’t know.
9:07:34 PM 7: YEAH Belfast.
9:07:43 PM L: I was like “He sounds… Irish. Why…”
9:09:29 PM L: Whyyyy are they always daddy’s girls. >>
9:09:47 PM 7: I don’t knowww.
9:10:15 PM L: (I also kind of wish it was Maleficent that she loved most, ahahaha.)
9:11:42 PM L: (Which. I was thinking in an ace way, but I also realized it would be hilarious to be that blatantly shippy, too.)
9:12:13 PM 7: I KNOW I WANTED THAT TOO.
9:16:25 PM L: I WAS ACTUALLY NOT EXPECTING IT NOT TO BE BECAUSE LOL I WASN’T PAYING A WHOLE LOT OF ATTENTION TO HER ENDEAVORS TO CURSE PEOPLE.
9:16:48 PM L: I also always think
9:17:03 PM L: y’know clearly that is not what you love most if you will kill it/them for this other goal. That goal is what you love most.
9:17:10 PM L: PARADOX.
9:17:16 PM 7: Yep.
9:18:20 PM L: I like that.
9:18:39 PM L: Seriously if she’d been like “Thanks for bringing him back, would appreciate if you never came back” Emma probably would’ve just left.
9:18:40 PM L: >>
9:20:14 PM L: ARGH, I just. I wish people would write these things so that I didn’t have to be mad at they didn’t do it well. >>
9:20:33 PM L: …http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw6cc0OS771qa5a54o1_400.jpg
9:20:37 PM L: but that is adorable.
9:22:08 PM L: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/image.cfm?c_id=1&gal_objectid=10772980&gallery_id=123076#8395358 oh my god just
9:23:02 PM 7: Oh my goodness.
9:23:38 PM 7: Also yes. Ahah. The fact that Regina keeps being all crazybitch is WHY Emma’s like “I’m not sure I trust you with children. Or a town. Or humans at all.”
9:23:45 PM 7: “Maybe I should stick around.”
9:23:51 PM L: ahah yes, exactly
9:23:59 PM L: I mean at first she was like “JUST TAKE YOUR KID I WANT TO GO HOME”
9:47:40 PM L: http://whatever.scalzi.com/2006/09/26/how-to-make-a-schadenfreude-pie/ I also want … to make this
9:57:35 PM L: Mary Blanchard
9:57:37 PM L: that’s her name.
9:57:44 PM L: 8|
10:02:39 PM 7: Ahah. I knew it was something. ‘white’.
10:04:13 PM L: I like that Snow White is a thief, ahah.
10:04:34 PM 7: Hah yes.
10:08:37 PM L: … Regina is just like
10:08:39 PM L: trollface.
10:09:28 PM 7: Ahah.
10:09:34 PM L: just like “HAHA I AM HERE [smugsmile]”
10:25:41 PM L: wow, he is … really good with his aim.
10:26:07 PM L: (The funny part is I keep thinking he looks like a douche too.)
10:26:17 PM 7: Who?
10:26:20 PM L: Charming
10:26:27 PM 7: Ah.
10:26:35 PM 7: He does, though. >>
10:26:45 PM L: He really does. And apparently isn’t, ahah, but still. >>
10:27:01 PM 7: I really do keep thinking he’s going to end up being a jerk, though. Just because he looks like he should.
10:27:13 PM L: I know, I’m totally like, waiting for the other shoe to drop.
10:28:14 PM L: Except I’m not sure if he’s really supposed to look like he might be evil.
10:28:23 PM L: Or if that’s just. .. How I interpret him.
10:31:25 PM 7: I know. I don’t think he is. I think ti’s just that he just looks too classically…like blonde and ‘good looking’ and ‘nice’.
10:31:33 PM 7: So we hilariously expect him to not be.
10:31:36 PM 7: Despite appearances.
10:31:45 PM L: ahah yeah
10:34:35 PM L: Maybe you guys could try like
10:34:40 PM L: cpr, oh there you go.
10:35:07 PM 7: Ahah.
10:35:50 PM L: ahaha
10:35:54 PM L: asshat fiance.
10:35:59 PM L: of course.
10:36:12 PM L: SERIOUSLY REGINA.
10:36:22 PM L: GLOATING ISN’T PRETTY.
10:36:45 PM 7: Ahah.
10:37:21 PM L: It’s just like. It’s already obvious she pulled the strings but she has to show up anyway to be like “IT WAS ME, GUYS” and everyone’s like “… We know.”
10:38:21 PM 7: Ahah.
10:38:23 PM L: ooh, peridot.
10:39:09 PM L: (So I’m going to assume Snow White’s terrible taste in fancy dresses is because she never wears them.)
10:39:46 PM 7: I think that is a decent assumption. And probably not what the show wants you to assume, but lawl.
10:39:58 PM L: (The Queen has no excuse. But. I dunno, Maleficent also dressed terribly, so I’m going to pretend it’s some sort of evil sorceress code.)
10:40:53 PM L: Speaking of people eating Schadenfreude pie.
10:45:12 PM L: …the awkward part is the way they write this half makes me want to ship Emma/Mary but uh.
10:45:27 PM L: >> TALK ABOUT OEDIPUS COMPLEXES.
10:45:41 PM 7: Ahah I know. >>
10:46:19 PM 7: I actually like, though, that…I mean they are technically related. But they don’t know that and they’re about the same age. And they are kind of ACTUALLY friends.

still relevant, if belated

7: SO LIKE. OKAY. I KNEW THAT ELIZABETH WAS THE ONLY WAY TO GET MOZZIE TO STAY. BUT EFF.
7: AND THEY RESOLVED NOTHING.
7: AND I JUST WANT SOME CLEAR AIR BETWEEN NEAL AND PETER. EVEN THOUGH THEY BOTH KNOW THAT THE OTHER KNOWS ET CETERA.
L: what’s kind of irritating is I think Peter doesn’t really mind, even, that Neal is lying to him, which is partly why I’m like. Okay. But then Peter’s been upset because Neal is his friend and he doesn’t want Neal to throw his life away.
7: Yes.
L: And he also feels like he can’t allow himself to trust Neal completely, because he knows Neal isn’t really sure himself.
L: AND THEN NOW FUCKING ELIZABETH IS MISSING
L: :SLKDJF:SLDKJ KELLER.
L: HAD I LIKED YOU BEFORE I WOULD HATE YOU NOW, BUT I SURE DIDN’T.
7: It’s both irritating and also I’m kind of like. Well they’re not going to kill Elizabeth because then it would get rid of Peter and Mozzie in one fell swoop, if not also Neal (because this isn’t the type of show where they can have that kind of calamity and then soldier through it). So at the same time it’s “OMGWTFKELLER.” and also kind of a letdown?
L: ahah yeah I’m not… too worried about Elizabeth herself? (Which sort of is … awkward, given I do really like her, but this kind of emphasizes that the women are just decorations, even in this show.)
L: But it’s sort of. lol. Elizabeth being the moral mark or whatever, Keller going after HER of all people is like “HOW YOU COULD YOU, YOU MONSTER.”
7: Yes.
7: So yeah. Mostly I’m kind of irritated that they had to bring Keller back at all, since it means that suddenly the story is about him and not about Neal’s Big Decision.
7: Which they keep HARPING ON IN EVERY CONVERSATION.
L: Which … I’m not sure how I feel about that part given I was like, kind of irritated that it was all about Neal’s Big Decision anyway.
7: I JUST WANT IT RESOLVED SO I CAN STOP HEARING ABOUT IT.
L: But it’s kind of like… a copout that he and Mozzie aren’t actually going to work things out
7: Yes.
L: like… some … slightly more normal way
L: lawl, half-seasons!
L: WANT TO HULK SMASH.
7: PRETTY MUCH.
L: They’re like “Oh, we can do half-seasons… it can have twice the cliffhangers! :D”
7: I just want things resolved that should not have taken THIS LONG to resolve. And now there’s new things that have to be resolved which are just going to push back the actual thing and it’s going to fuck everyone up and then it’s just going to be fine like an episode later.
7: And if every conversation between EVERY CHARACTER could stop being veiled references about Neal and/or Peter and the fact that Neal is a Bad Guy who has to make Big Decisions.
7: That would be super.
L: AGH. YES.
L: good god, I was like, aren’t you guys tired of hearing yourselfs insinuate yet?
7: EVEN BEAU BRIDGES WAS DOING IT. AND HE DOESN’T EVEN KNOW NEAL.
L: AHAHA YES.
L: I WAS LIKE SHUT UP OLD MAN YOU AREN’T EVEN A PART OF THIS STORY.
7: His character was pointless.
L: Best part of this episode was Diana squealing like a fangirl.
7: Ahah yes!
7: Second best part was Diana being like “I’m his muscle. >:|”
L: She was almost literally hopping up and down with glee.
7: AT LEAST DIANA DOESN’T LET US DOWN.
7: SO FAR.
L: as everyone else is like “… uh.”
7: Ahah yes.
L: SHE PROBABLY WON’T GIVEN SHE’S A WOMAN AND THEREFORE INSIGNIFICANT.
7: 😀
L: ALSO SHE’S NOT ATTRACTED TO NEAL.
L: So she can’t even have her own half-arc.
7: Seriously.
L: It’s like. I appreciate that both Diana and Elizabeth are awesome
L: BUT MAYBE YOU COULD DO SOMETHING WITH THEM.
7: I know! Because they really are.
L: It actually really excited me for a while that El and Mozzie were like. Literally friends.
L: Who called each other up to chat.
7: Yes. Before it became the inevitable “Because she is The Heart, we will use her to drive the real characters in to action!” it was adorable.
L: I know.
L: :SLkdjf.
7: And now it. Still is, but it’s really annoying as well.
L: Yes.
L: Argh. This show.
L: Stop making me angry, fluff show.